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Ancient Greek Art/Architecture


Do you prefer Hellenic or Hellenistic sculpture so far?  Why?

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Caroline said...

I prefer the hellenistic sculptures because they aren't all the same typical idealized athletes/ gods. For example, I like the sculpture of the old market woman which violates many ideals of hellenic art (mainly she is old). Additionally, I like the emotion portrayed in hellenistic art like in the sculpture Dying Gaul.

Dean Elazab said...

I agree with Caroline, context is important to me. I think that idealized still statues are boring. The one of the snakes is a great example of interesting Hellenistic art.

Aaron Nussdorf said...

the hellenistic period certainly has more action and emotion than the hellenic, and other areas of art progressed rapidly. however, i must depart with the norm, as of now. i preffer the hellenic because of emotional restraint, the porportions set down by the scupltors, and, primarily, the artistic base taht it provides for centuries afterward: the hellenic acts as the artistic base for most other art (even those that reject it [absract impressionism, aka Pollock]--they needed the context for a rejection). i feel that a strong base for art is necessary and i think that the hellenic provides a sufficent base for growth.

puddlewonderful said...

Nuzz is right; the context is necessary for progression, but personally I love Hellenistic art. It doesn't seem to violate proportion-- I think most of the statues still portray some level of perfection (perhaps not the ideal, but very attractive nonetheless). The figures are still beautiful, but the context gives them more meaning. They show more restraint than Romanistic, which really tells a story (like the Dying Gaul or Laocoon & Co.). I see them as figures of realistic beauty, and I love anything that is beautiful. Whereas Hellenic art is stiff and statuesque, there is life and energy to Hellenistic art, like Discobolus. Hellenistic artists, to me, have imparted the essence of being, of existence, to stone. They haven't told a story, like the Romans, but they've made embodiments of ideas.

I think contemporary notion holds Hellenistic art in higher esteem because this generation/these generations want to connect to art; like Caroline, they like emotion-- they like to experience sympathy. (I am of this group, these people seeking feeling.) I would posit that it is an extension of the human experience, to constantly exercise one's heart, to continually seek a range of emotions, if only artificially via pathos. People aren't look for perfection in proportion anymore-- they just want to feel.

tmichals said...

Like Joel said, I prefer Hellenistic art over Hellenic because of the emotion and sense of reality attached to it. I love how the Hellenistic statues tell stories and the fact that you can tell so much simply from the emotions in their face, unlike the facial restraint associated with Hellenic. While the situations are often so extreme in Hellenistic art, I feel a stronger sense of reality in them in statues such as the market woman (like Caroline said) and the statue of Aphrodite caught in the unflattering pose. However, I do appreciate and agree with Nuzzie's "artistic base" theory.

joel derby said...

Taylor, I hadn't posted yet...

But I definitely prefer the Hellenistic period, like Dean said, "idealized still statues are boring". The situations and emotions that that the figures endure and feel are what make the art for me.

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Stephen Gieger said...

I appreciate the hellenistic art much more because is personifies variety rather than the typical idealistc art of the hellenic period. The personalities of the various forms of art make it easier to realate to and does much more to portray the setting of the art. I think the ancients would appreciate more hellenistic art because it exemplified their dominance over other cultures.

Dean Elazab said...

Hellenistic ftw??? so yeah i like how we have a general consensus on Hellenistic winning in every way. John has yet to post and the tension of him and andrew should spark up this landslide victory.

El Paco said...
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El Paco said...

I think that we tend toward Hellenistic art because we've been taught that art is supposed to convey emotion or some deeper meaning than just beauty and idealism (at least that's what I've always thought - it might be different for everyone else). If we were brought up in a society in which showing emotion in any form was frowned upon, would we still prefer Hellenistic art?

El Paco said...

alright I just read Michelle's earlier post and she pretty much already said the same thing that I just said. But my post still counts, right? I mean, it was still an original idea because I hadn't yet read Michelle's post. I say it counts.

michelle scandurro said...

Michelle--Discobolus is Hellenic. But point taken. I agree w/ Michelle & Andrew--our culture values extremes in all areas. Extreme body types, extreme emotion, extreme situations. Just watch TV for a few minutes. I just don't think we're very Hellenic. We don't seem to value restraint or balance. We've lost the golden mean. We can't appreciate a good kouros.

tmichals said...

my bad... i meant nussdorf earlier. sorry joel i was a little discombobulated.

bballinsupasta said...

i prefer hellenic sculpture because i appreciate the facial restraint and the idealized and naturalistic depictions. i prefer seeing paintings portraying emotion and showing context over hellenistic sculpture.

Mr. Plainview said...

I have nothing exciting to say. I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone else in that I prefer Hellenistic art. I must admit I am quite fond of the seated boxer. Something about the way he is hunched over suggests a certain fatigue. Of course the emotion in the Laocoon Group is a real wowzer.

Ehren said...

I like hellenistic art better because it shows more emotion and has more of a story behind the scultures, which I think is the epitome of art. Hellenistic art also shows some of the more unconvential aspects of life, and subjects that are tabboo make art intriguing.

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puddlewonderful said...

I made a blink decision with my preference--I just looked at the Laocoon group and felt pathos for the dying Gauls and I thought, "Oh, Hellenistic!"

But over the weekend, without internet, I began to reflect on Hellnistic culture. I read Chapter 3 of the textbook and I couldn't help but feel a bit, well, jaded. Almost as if I'd watch this peak of Greek culture and then this steady decline, this bastardization. I use strong terms-- I myself am Hellenistic, emotional, exaggerated, melodramatic-- but the awe, the reverence that had overcome me when reading about Hellenic society faded slowly into something almost akin to revulsion.

Hellenism is beautiful in its pathos, but "educated" (better read, at least) as I am now about the two cultures, I cannot help but admire the meticulousness of Hellenic temples, the awe they inspire, the stately grace of Athena Lemnia. Hellenism stands face to face with me, at my level, and mimics my own emotions, dragging them to further extremes and me with it. I enjoy it; I can revel in it. But Hellenic art urges me to a higher plane, or at least makes me aware of something much greater and much more graceful than myself. It is so calm, and so austere, and now that I think I can understand it more by comparison, so beautiful.

Manal said...

I like the hellenic sculptures better because they emit a sense of serenity and peace. The average Greeks would probably look at the sculptures and find something to strive for and in doing so they would improve themselves somewhat even if they could not reach that perfect form. Every Greek could have a similar role model and try to ameliorate together. In the society, there would be unity and group growth. The hellenistic art is more interesting and more "arty" becasue of what we assume art to be today. That idea of showing emotion in a piece has become common today, and though it is enjoyable,the Hellenic had a better purpose.

Margaret said...

I agree with Andrew, Michelle, and Mrs. Scandurro. And I promise I was thinking this before I got to their posts too lol. I was trying to make this point in the earlier post, but I didn't quite get it out. Our times value individualism and extremes. I prefer the Hellenistic art, but I can still appreciate the Hellenic sculptures for their constancy and sense of serenity.

For me, Hellenic art evokes a feeling of calm while Hellenistic art stirs up many different emotions. Hellenic art is elegant and beautiful, but like everyone said, it doesn't reflect reality, and most of us value the realistic. Hellenic art strove toward perfection in form and balance. Hellenistic art strove to replicate reality as close as possible. I don't think we could achieve either. Perfection is an ideal, and an ideal is just that, an ideal. But both art forms are honorable in that they at least tried their best, and that's all we can ever really do.

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