I must ask for a very critical distinction: Do "sweaters" include hooded sweatshirts? Because the comfort and versatility of a good hoodie is without match.
I'm going to name the cool dude Steve, in case there's a dispute over what we want to call what Steve is wearing. I was under the impression that it was a sweater, but Wise says no...?
Wikipedia defines a sweater as "a relatively heavy shirt intended to cover the torso and arms of the human body (though, in some cases, sweaters are made for dogs and occasionally other animals) and sometimes worn over a shirt, blouse, T-shirt or other top. Sweaters tend to be, and in earlier times always were, made from wool (typically of sheep, though possibly of alpaca or other type); however, they can be made of cotton, synthetic fibres, or some combination thereof. Sweaters are maintained by washing, and the use of a lint roller." Furthermore, sweaters can, in fact, have zippers; when I asked my mother whether or not sweaters can have zippers she very assuredly replied, "yes, they most certainly can." And my mother is very knowledgeable in the field of sweaters. Also, Wikipedia defines a sweater with a zipper or buttons as a "cardigan."
Now onto the comparison of jackets and sweaters. On this subject, on behalf of sweaters, wikipedia states, "Sweaters are a versatile item of clothing, which can be worn on top of almost any outfit. Sports sweaters, especially hoodies, are often worn on tops of sports kit which travelling to or from a sports ground. As a part of the preppy style sweaters are worn with a dress shirt underneath (and optionally a tie), which has the advantage of allowing the wearer to have the option of removing the sweater when it is uncomfortably warm and still look presentable in many situations with only the shirt. In the late 20th century the sweater increasingly came to be worn as an alternative to a shirt when finer materials made them more comfortable next to the skin." An interesting point, indeed, wikipedia.
In order for us to have a proper debate, we must define the term "jacket." Again, according to Wikipedia, a jacket is "also the recognized terminology for the supporting legs and lattice framework, generally made of steel, of an offshore oil platform in the oil industry." Are we including this type of jacket in our debate? And what about life jackets and water jackets?
'Again, according to Wikipedia, a jacket is "also the recognized terminology for the supporting legs and lattice framework, generally made of steel, of an offshore oil platform in the oil industry."'
This type of jacket is very uncomfortable. I would not recommend it.
I would just like to reiterate to John that a sweatshirt (hooded or not) IS A JACKET. Remember, the sweatshirt is a subsection of a jacket. Also, I would like to say as a girl that neither is better - it depends on the outfit or the mood. For instance, when I am feeling bad or just want to dress comfortably for school, the sweatshirt (jacket) is the way to go. However, if I am wearing a dress or something (as stm is trying to get across by not allowing north faces, etc. on dress days) or just trying to look classy, I'm a sweater girl all the way. However, I must admit my favorite type of the "sweater/jacket phenomenon" is by far the rain jacket because of the many purposes that it serves. It's really pathetic that this is my longest post ever.
Are you sure that a sweatshirt is a type of jacket? Wikipedia states that, "If [the sweater is] made of thick cotton, it is usually known as a sweatshirt." Here's the link in case you guys don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweater
John makes a very astute point in noting that wearing the steel legs of an oil rig would not be very comfortable. However, it may be quite comfortable if you are indeed an oil rig.
As for my personal choice on the issue of jackets vs sweaters, I am truly undecided. Jackets present a more casual look (like my absolutely beautiful Manchester United Jacket), while sweaters offer the appearance of class (like my absolutely beautiful J.Crew sweater). Either way, whatever I wear will be absolutely beautiful.
Actually, you know what? I'm gonna take a stance: I say jackets. They are much more casual, they have convenient (for multiple reasons) zippers, and most importantly, you can pop their collars. Someone stand up to me; I challenge you
I don't know... the word "sweatshirt" sounds closer to "sweater" than it does to "jacket," to me. That alone makes me think that a sweatshirt counts as a sweater.
In any case, I say whatever you want to call a hoodie is, is the best.
It's not Man U, John, It's Man Utd. Man U was a term used by Liverpool fans to make fun of the 1958 Munich Air crash which killed about 10 Man Utd. players and 2 coaches. Secondly, no, it doesn't. It's perfect the way it is.
In response to John's "sweatshirt sounds more like sweater" remark, that is so completely naive (no offense). That is like saying that just because my name is Taylor means that I am like a tailor since they sound alike and therefore that I am a good sewer. This definitely is not the case and you can't just make assumptions like this. Speaking of sewing, do you think that a jacket or a sweater would be more difficult to sew?
I'd have to guess that a sweater would be harder to sew since they're usually thicker. I can't say that I know, though. Hey, you're a tailor, you should know.
Yeah sweaters have a big assumption of being warm and keeping people alive. jackets seem more like a choice but when you need a sweater, you need a sweater.
Yeah sweaters have a big assumption of being warm and keeping people alive. jackets seem more like a choice but when you need a sweater, you need a sweater.
Well, i'm personally a fan of jackets, hoodies are est for around the house. I like to wear a type of wool classic coat, like a car coat or a peacoat. Also one can look very GANGTSA by creating a layering effect, lots of really preppy people will wear a hoodie under a blazer or a nice sweter under a fancy shmancy coat. And it is ridiculous to say that a piece of outer wear is not a jacket because of the material!! I beleive that a sweater that zips all the way down the front is a jacket, BUT for the sake of fixing this problem, shall we abolish hybrids such as front-zipping "sweater jackets"?
See, I completely feel the opposite. When I am really trying to stay warm, a jacket is ALWAYS the way to go no matter what. When it's a cool breezy day, I usually opt for a sweater instead. I'm realizing from this blog that the views and necessities for sweaters differ greatly between males and females. But basically, jackets are cool and that's why I chose to rep with my Stm hoodie today for picture day.
I must say I'm very happy with the red sweatshirt I'm wearing right now. It keeps me warm and it's very snuggly. Usually I prefer jackets so I can unzip them if I get hot, but this sweatshirt is so vewy soft!
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I must ask for a very critical distinction: Do "sweaters" include hooded sweatshirts? Because the comfort and versatility of a good hoodie is without match.
ReplyDeleteI would say yes, but there are also hooded jackets you must remember you wear them quite often in fact.
ReplyDeleteWhat, would you say, is this cool dude wearing?
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I'm going to name the cool dude Steve, in case there's a dispute over what we want to call what Steve is wearing. I was under the impression that it was a sweater, but Wise says no...?
In any case, Steve is pretty stylin'.
That, my friends, is a jacket. It is easy to tell do to the thinness and the look. Case closed :D
ReplyDeleteWikipedia defines a sweater as "a relatively heavy shirt intended to cover the torso and arms of the human body (though, in some cases, sweaters are made for dogs and occasionally other animals) and sometimes worn over a shirt, blouse, T-shirt or other top. Sweaters tend to be, and in earlier times always were, made from wool (typically of sheep, though possibly of alpaca or other type); however, they can be made of cotton, synthetic fibres, or some combination thereof. Sweaters are maintained by washing, and the use of a lint roller." Furthermore, sweaters can, in fact, have zippers; when I asked my mother whether or not sweaters can have zippers she very assuredly replied, "yes, they most certainly can." And my mother is very knowledgeable in the field of sweaters. Also, Wikipedia defines a sweater with a zipper or buttons as a "cardigan."
ReplyDeleteNow onto the comparison of jackets and sweaters. On this subject, on behalf of sweaters, wikipedia states, "Sweaters are a versatile item of clothing, which can be worn on top of almost any outfit. Sports sweaters, especially hoodies, are often worn on tops of sports kit which travelling to or from a sports ground. As a part of the preppy style sweaters are worn with a dress shirt underneath (and optionally a tie), which has the advantage of allowing the wearer to have the option of removing the sweater when it is uncomfortably warm and still look presentable in many situations with only the shirt. In the late 20th century the sweater increasingly came to be worn as an alternative to a shirt when finer materials made them more comfortable next to the skin." An interesting point, indeed, wikipedia.
In order for us to have a proper debate, we must define the term "jacket." Again, according to Wikipedia, a jacket is "also the recognized terminology for the supporting legs and lattice framework, generally made of steel, of an offshore oil platform in the oil industry." Are we including this type of jacket in our debate? And what about life jackets and water jackets?
ReplyDelete'Again, according to Wikipedia, a jacket is "also the recognized terminology for the supporting legs and lattice framework, generally made of steel, of an offshore oil platform in the oil industry."'
ReplyDeleteThis type of jacket is very uncomfortable. I would not recommend it.
I would just like to reiterate to John that a sweatshirt (hooded or not) IS A JACKET. Remember, the sweatshirt is a subsection of a jacket. Also, I would like to say as a girl that neither is better - it depends on the outfit or the mood. For instance, when I am feeling bad or just want to dress comfortably for school, the sweatshirt (jacket) is the way to go. However, if I am wearing a dress or something (as stm is trying to get across by not allowing north faces, etc. on dress days) or just trying to look classy, I'm a sweater girl all the way. However, I must admit my favorite type of the "sweater/jacket phenomenon" is by far the rain jacket because of the many purposes that it serves. It's really pathetic that this is my longest post ever.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to have to agree with taylor on this one...
ReplyDeleteAre you sure that a sweatshirt is a type of jacket? Wikipedia states that, "If [the sweater is] made of thick cotton, it is usually known as a sweatshirt." Here's the link in case you guys don't believe me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweater
ReplyDeleteJohn makes a very astute point in noting that wearing the steel legs of an oil rig would not be very comfortable. However, it may be quite comfortable if you are indeed an oil rig.
As for my personal choice on the issue of jackets vs sweaters, I am truly undecided. Jackets present a more casual look (like my absolutely beautiful Manchester United Jacket), while sweaters offer the appearance of class (like my absolutely beautiful J.Crew sweater). Either way, whatever I wear will be absolutely beautiful.
Actually, you know what? I'm gonna take a stance: I say jackets. They are much more casual, they have convenient (for multiple reasons) zippers, and most importantly, you can pop their collars. Someone stand up to me; I challenge you
I don't know... the word "sweatshirt" sounds closer to "sweater" than it does to "jacket," to me. That alone makes me think that a sweatshirt counts as a sweater.
ReplyDeleteIn any case, I say whatever you want to call a hoodie is, is the best.
Hooded jackets are by far the most superior in the over the shirt garb, game over :D
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I disagree - hooded jackets are not nearly as awesome as my Manchester United Jacket
ReplyDeleteYour Man U jacket needs a hood.
ReplyDeleteIt's not Man U, John, It's Man Utd. Man U was a term used by Liverpool fans to make fun of the 1958 Munich Air crash which killed about 10 Man Utd. players and 2 coaches. Secondly, no, it doesn't. It's perfect the way it is.
ReplyDeleteIn response to John's "sweatshirt sounds more like sweater" remark, that is so completely naive (no offense). That is like saying that just because my name is Taylor means that I am like a tailor since they sound alike and therefore that I am a good sewer. This definitely is not the case and you can't just make assumptions like this. Speaking of sewing, do you think that a jacket or a sweater would be more difficult to sew?
ReplyDeleteYOU'RE NOT A TAILOR??
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I'd have to guess that a sweater would be harder to sew since they're usually thicker. I can't say that I know, though. Hey, you're a tailor, you should know.
ReplyDeleteYeah sweaters have a big assumption of being warm and keeping people alive. jackets seem more like a choice but when you need a sweater, you need a sweater.
ReplyDeleteYeah sweaters have a big assumption of being warm and keeping people alive. jackets seem more like a choice but when you need a sweater, you need a sweater.
ReplyDeleteWell, i'm personally a fan of jackets, hoodies are est for around the house. I like to wear a type of wool classic coat, like a car coat or a peacoat. Also one can look very GANGTSA by creating a layering effect, lots of really preppy people will wear a hoodie under a blazer or a nice sweter under a fancy shmancy coat. And it is ridiculous to say that a piece of outer wear is not a jacket because of the material!! I beleive that a sweater that zips all the way down the front is a jacket, BUT for the sake of fixing this problem, shall we abolish hybrids such as front-zipping "sweater jackets"?
ReplyDeleteSee, I completely feel the opposite. When I am really trying to stay warm, a jacket is ALWAYS the way to go no matter what. When it's a cool breezy day, I usually opt for a sweater instead. I'm realizing from this blog that the views and necessities for sweaters differ greatly between males and females. But basically, jackets are cool and that's why I chose to rep with my Stm hoodie today for picture day.
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ReplyDeletethat is most definitely a jacket
ReplyDeleteI don't know I think that might actually be a hooded sweater
ReplyDeleteIt's called "The Aquatic Button Up Shirt"... ??
ReplyDeleteThis question is too complex and nuanced for me; I'm going back to the Medea thread.
john, that is not a sweater at all. fail. stop being so naive in your sweater vs. jackets arguments please... for the sake of the fellowship.
ReplyDeleteYOU ALL FAIL AT LIFE IF SWEATER IS IN THE NAME IT IS A SWEATER I THINK AND IF ITS CALLED A JACKET IS A JACKET!!!!!1111
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